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Dogtown,Ut,

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Jan 02, 2006

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Running Accomplishments:

PRs: 2:26:29 marathon @ St.George '14; 1:09:55 1/2 mar. '08; 31:00 10k '07

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Love running now.

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Love running forever!

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My perfect day would include a run through the desert, time with my wife and girls, tasty homemade meals, and a nice nap in the middle.

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Race: St. George Marathon (26.2 Miles) 02:33:08, Place overall: 5, Place in age division: 1
Total Distance
31.50

St. George Marathon - 2:33:08

I know that a lot of people would have a hard time agreeing with me that a 5th place at St. George was a poor performance, but this may be up there as one of my three most disappointing race days in my life (the other two being XC as a Jr. in high school when I placed 4th at State and our next three coming in in position to win State only to see our 5th man have a horrible race and drop us to 3rd; and my Sr. year in State when our team wasn't quite as good - still 3rd - but I was trying for an individual State title and was only able to muster a 3rd of my own).  And, again, I am sure some people would be mad at me for talking like that; after all those two performances as well as today look good on the surface.  But it could have been so much more... so much more.

Temps were very warm at the start and I was feeling good as I warmed up in the corral.  I felt positive, body felt great, mind seemed strong and the gun was off.

1-5:38, first my was very controlled.  It felt great.  Peter Vail moved out front on us a little toward the end of this mile (or start of 2nd) and gained a little ground.

2-5:39, was already noticing how warm it was.  Was sweating pretty heavily.  Chase group was strong: Logan, Clyde, Pepi, Danny Moody, Aaron and myself.  We kept the mood light and relaxed.

3-5:20, still moving fine.  Just keeping relaxed and talking XC.

4-5:13, move down the little hill toward Morningside and happy that things are so relaxed and the running is so easy.  Aaron had left us to start working up to Vail.

5-5:19 (27:08), looked like Aaron would easily take over Vail and that would open up 2nd to our group.

6-5:17, the pace was still comfortable enough to talk and joke about the cameras following Aaron's every move (it was as if the whole race was staged for him to win - I guess it was!).

7-5:14, dropping into Veyo.  I didn't have a drop until 11, so I took water at 5 and slid by this one.  As a group we decided to keep together up Veyo and not push it.

8-6:04, up the volcano very easy.  Watched Aaron take over the lead as he easily dropped Vail on the hill.

9-5:50, finished cresting the hill and breathed deep.  On the little drop as you round the corner and start working up the first part of Dameron I moved past Vail into 2nd and just kept going fully expecting Logan and others to come with me.  But no one did.  I looked around and realized that everyone was fading a little and a feeling of joy and excitement about having my teammates with me to go push out an awesome 2nd half and try and go for a win now put a little bit of fear in me. 

10-5:42 (55:17), kept moving at a relaxed pace hoping for Logan and Clyde to regain a little.  No one came.  In my head I started to get worried.  I had been in this position before.  I felt a little sluggish here and decided to stay very calm to prepare myself for a strong 2nd half.

11-5:58, took my drink and struggled a little to take my Gu.  Although Aron was only about 1 1/2 minutes up on me, I felt like it was miles; and I had only been on my own for a couple miles, but it felt like an eternity.

12-5:44, kept the mindset of letting the 1st half and these hills be easy.  But I continued to feel sluggish.

13-5:29, 1:12:50'ish at the half.  My position was great and my time was great.  But I was not great.  I was already in trouble.

14-5:31, just tried to relax and tell myself that if I could get another mile or two out of my system I would start feeling better and could do a good push on the last ten.

15-5:17, my times were fine here.  Why did I feel so horrible about things.  I really defeated myself in these miles.

16-5:06, coming off the volcano.  A very respectable mile.  Aaron was still on 1 1/2 up on me.  As I write this I had started to calm down about my disappointment (realizing that it is only a race and I've got so much else in life), but looking at this split I am getting frustrated again.  I was fine here, but I felt like there was no chance for me.  I totally defeated myself before I even had a chance to succeed - dang it Dave, why do you do that?  I felt that if my buddies were there I/we could have done anything.  But all on my own I didn't have a chance.  I'm bummed...

17-5:32, bumped into Corbin Talley as he ran up to cheer his wife.  He tells me 1 1/2 back - why didn't I register that I had kept the gap for the last 8 miles? - but I can only respond that I am done.  He tells me to hang in and just relax because you never know what will happen up front.  (Up front, I find out later, Aaron is actually cramping.  Although he works it out, I could have gained here.)

18-5:46, I do try and tell myself to just relax again until the top of Winchester and then I can get it going.  I tried to tap into the confidence of the workout earlier this summer that I burned from 19 down.

19-6:41, I might as well have been walking up the hill at Winchester.  I was barely moving, I felt spacey, and I quit on myself.  As I hit the aid station at 19 some of the XC kids were there (as well as my ward).  Trevor had my drink and I had him rip off my Gu.  Then I started to walk.  My legs were gone, but my mind was gone.  I had an absolute meltdown.  I was weaving; I was crying; and Trev was grabbing my arm pushing me and yelling at me that I had to get going or I would cramp up.  I don't remember much more.

20-6:18 (1:52), Pepi passed me and it was 2008 all over again.  I had run a large portion of the race in 2nd all by myself and now someone came by me and what else was there to run for.  I tried briefly to convince myself that there was a good time to be had still and if I could regroup I could gain back my spot - that was a very brief thought.

21-6:15, I walked through every aid station from here on out.  My feet were on fire.  I dumped water all over me.  I wanted to rip off my shoes and run barefoot.  I was fine if everyone in the whole race passed me.

22-7:19, walked up the hill out of the twist.  I wanted to walk the whole way.  Toward the top the 3rd place finisher catches me. 

23-6:12, I had run a sub 35 on the last 7 miles 1 1/2 months ago (feeling strong but controlled).  If I could have done that today...?

24-6:32, I lose my 4th and 5th spot in a matter of seconds.

25-6:24, I am ashamed at myself.  But I go catch back up with 5th; I don't know why.

26-6:16, people are cheering and say I look great.  If they only knew.

.2-1:25 (6:27 pace), dazed I watch the crowd looking for Al and the girls.  See them near the end.  Glad that 6th didn't try and come back on me.  (Last Ohana 89)

I couldn't contain my emotions at the end.  I just stood in the mist and cried a bit.  I was really disappointed, really disappointed.  A lot like 2008 but exchange the cold and wind for hot.  Really don't want to say too much else now.  Last year I was so mad that I wanted to quit.  I don't want to quit now, but I don't know where to go from here.

PM - 5 Parkway.  Couldn't sleep tonight, so I headed out at about 11:20 and just ran the Parkway.  It rained this evening and the clouds had broken leaving a slight briskness to the air (ironic huh?) and I just watched the stars and a lightning storm clear out over the Strip.  And I thought a lot - just let the mind go.  By the way; the soreness is starting to show up now.  (Kinvara 183.25)


Kinvara Miles: 5.00Last Ohana Miles: 26.50
Comments
From Superfly on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 00:33:11 from 208.117.127.110

Ugh is right. Dude I don't know what to say either. I'm in denial right now about what just happened today. Honestly how can we hit workouts like the one down from Winchester or the mock half from Gunlock and then on race day not even feel ANYTHING like that. Man I wish I could have been there with ya... that's all I wanted. And could I have run like I did a couple weeks ago I would have been. But for some effed up reason it just wasn't going to happen for me today. I felt great at the start (mind, body, ect) and the first 7-8 miles felt soo relaxed and then it just was gone! That fast... just GONE.

I don't know where to go from here either. I told Mik'L tonight I don't know if I ever really want to run another marathon (or at least race it)... for sure I don't ever want to feel as helpless as I felt today again. You know when 5:50 pace down Snow Canyon feels hard that something isn't right.

I guess for now just enjoy the moment and year your having with the boys. Go win that state title. That will at least give us something positive to smile about when it comes to running.

Sigh! I'm pretty down about it too so sorry for not giving more of a positive comment.

From Little Bad Legs on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 00:46:07 from 67.170.153.203

That's a pretty intense entry Dave. The pain is almost palpable. But it's not the usual good pain associated with racing; giving it everything you've got and being rewarded for the effort.

Just as Clyde wrote, you guys have been killing it in workouts in the weeks and months leading up to today. I'm sure it's frustrating for the race-day magic to disappear mid-race. Actually, the word 'frustrating' probably doesn't begin to do it justice.

Good luck with your recovery. Better days/races are ahead!

From Vis on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 01:05:44 from 208.88.8.22

Brought the cowbell to lift your spirit and then felt like I broke your spirit when I held up those 2 fingers to answer your question. I could tell by your body language that you weren't in the mood for a race to the finish. Just let the crap go. You have about a month's worth of things to look forward to.

From MarcieJ on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 01:12:48 from 208.117.117.22

Reading your report is like dejavu for me. And totally agree with Clyde. I wasn't in 2nd place. but I nailed my first half (but it felt a little too hard) and then went downhill from there. I have never wanted to quit so bad and I started walking through the aid stations too. Again agreeing with Clyde, it is so frustrating to nail training workouts and feel on top of the world and then have our bodies shut down on race day. This race felt so much like '08 except the extreme opposite temps. I told my husband I never wanted to race again but he said I sound like a broken record! haha Anyways just know you weren't alone today and I havent talked a single person that had a great race. Like '08 there were factors that were just out of our control!! Next year!

From Holt on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 01:22:41 from 75.169.57.238

Thanks guys. I don't know that it comforts me at all that so many people struggled today (I wish everyone could have just nailed it) - but it does comfort me that so many people care.

From Mike Warren on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 06:25:21 from 74.211.9.222

Tough day no doubt! Dave, just so you know your one of the reasons I have continued to improve my running. Everytime I am climbing Snow Canyon and want to turn around, decide to cut a run short, or just give up, I can hear your lectures. You always keep the club honest on our runs. I am also guessing your brothers crazy improvement has a lot to do with you as well.

I totally understand the harder you work, the bigger the let down when you fail. I hate to admit this, but when I finised today I just about broke down. I have never trained so hard and could of hit my goal easily. When I got home I was mad, had the self pitty thing going about the injury. My wife told me I could complain for one hour and then to move on:) Dave, just keep after it! I know you don't run just for the races. If I would of hit my time goal in my first marathon I would of quit running. Would of never started running with you guys and had some of the great friends I made. It all happens for a reason my friend.

From jtshad on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 08:51:02 from 208.117.127.110

I am so sorry about your disappointing race, I know how hard you had trained for this event. It is frustrating when your mentality shifts to a place where you weren't expecting. Your perspective on the race and life are right on, but it is still hard to have to think back on something you had put so much of yourself into. Give yourself time to process it then move on to the rest of the good things in your life.

It was wonderful seeing you again and I hope to do it again in the near future (not 2 years!).

From Jon on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 09:31:15 from 74.177.99.190

Man, tough, tough race. Sorry to hear that's how it played out, especially with the weather. It's too bad that you've had a rough go of it at your key race several times, now. I'm sure you'll analyze (too many training miles? Not enough? Not enough taper? Not enough fluids? Negative self-talk?), but will eventually let it go. That's one of the hardest parts of running for me- no matter how much we train and plan, we ultimately can't force a good race, we just have to let it come to us. One of these days, Dave, your day will definitely come.

From James on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 11:07:34 from 174.27.227.112

I got a little depressed reading about your race myself. I always want my friends to do well, and we all remember how hard 2008 was on all of us. The good thing is you are still a young fast stud and will bounce back again. Sometimes you have to lose to win in life!

From Burt on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 12:15:44 from 68.225.214.248

Thanks for that report Dave. It must have been some what therapeutic to write it. I'd like to tell you that it was the heat that got to you, but I know your response would be that everybody was running in the same heat. You are a great runner and an inspiration. Thanks again.

From daceg on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 12:30:34 from 74.211.30.193

As I read your post I couldn't believe how much your race and your feelings after were exactly like mine, except your splits were unhumanly fast for the heat!

I was so mad yesterday that I couldn't get to sleep until early this morning. We need to use this race as a great learning experience, and go on to get better. BTW-congrats on the top 5!!

From steve ash on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 13:00:48 from 64.134.236.39

Tough day Dave but some of of our worst days can actually be our best when enough time has passed in order to have a different perspective. I think if you had weather similar to 2007 and a week or two of reduced mileage the outcome would have been different. Heat is a huge factor and the more marathons I run in the heat the more I realize this brutal fact. You done good Dave! Smile:)

From JamesH on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 13:13:00 from 74.211.22.194

What to say? I had a whole 2 paragraphs down trying to be positive and thoughtful and deep. Your an incredible runner, brother, father, friend and coach whos been through a lot of trial but always come out the better. I love you like a brother(is that family safe?)

From Dustin on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 15:50:12 from 209.33.192.10

I think that is pretty family safe James.

Dave, I know your feeling pretty down, but your still someone so many of us look up to.

We've all learned so much from your dedication and desire. Thanks for your friendship, hang in there and enjoy the next few weeks of the XC season.

From Paul on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 19:11:18 from 174.27.187.235

Ouch. Tough race Dave. I had a similar one at TOU in 2004. Thought I could win the thing, went out in 1:13:00, finished in 2:45:00. Yes, that's 1:32 for the second half. I was running 7-min miles and gallowalking through aid stations by the end. So I know how it feels and how much it hurts both physically and emotionally. (that was my one marathon that year...all eggs in one basket).

The similarities to TOU 2004 and SGM 2010? Both races had record heat.

The other thing that struck me from your report was how aggressively you ran the first half. You were easily on pace for 2:20:00 through the first half (you were about 1 minute slower than I was at the half when I ran 2:18-low). My unsolicited observation is that the hard first half combined with the heat was a deadly cocktail. Any other day I think you can stick that pace, but heat compounds agony, and it's about the worst thing that can happen during a marathon (see Chicago, 2007). Some people are mutants and do okay in it (apparently Metler is one), but the majority of people don't.

Dave, I think you still have "it", but you got messed over by the day. I wish you brilliant races in the future, and if you stick with it, they will come.

From JamesH on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 20:12:21 from 74.211.22.194

Not to hyjack your post Dave but -

Paul how is it that you can always come up with a really good response to help or sympathize with someone? Your some kind of superman or something.

From Kelli on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 21:04:37 from 71.219.65.246

I think your sentiments are shared by everyone, "fast" and "slow" runners alike. But, I say never quit. There are good days and bad days, the weather stunk yesterday and I think that affected everyone!

Chin up.

From josse on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 21:16:13 from 75.196.183.117

In the midst of disappointment come great rewards, we need failure to drive us to do better. We also would not know how good it fells to do well if we did not have disappointment. I does suck though, we are all with you on that one. Sorry it was a stinky day, but we have to have these days to get the great ones.

From RivertonPaul on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 21:42:05 from 174.19.57.96

Thanks for being so open and honest. Best for the future.

From Paul on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 21:46:13 from 174.27.187.235

James - usually it's just something I read in a fortune cookie, and I just pass it on. Clyde got the short end of the stick for comments. I think I just wrote "bummer" on his blog.

From Holt on Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 23:31:32 from 75.169.57.238

Thanks guys - today... just L I V I N.

Paul, I was going to send you a personal thanks; because you always do hit it right on. But since James already called you out...! I think so many of us (your friends/on the blog/just some dude who might listen to you) owe a great deal to you for your spot on analysis and amazing approach to all aspects of life. Thanks. And very best of luck to you next month. We will all be pulling for you to go reach all your goals!

From Adam RW on Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 10:27:39 from 155.101.152.123

Dave,

I do not think you are being unfair. You trained hard and had a very rough race. When the performance does not match the effort the frustration is so great. Compound it by the fact that weather, something entirely out of your control, rolled you over for a second time on the same course... Glad you stuck it out for the 5th and I continue to look forward for that day that the stars will align on race day for you.

From scotthughes on Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 10:37:17 from 209.33.211.3

Dave, Not much that I can add to what has already been written. You are incredible and I appreciate you as a person and as a runner! This was another one of those races that seemed to get the best of most of us....we are all at different levels of skill and I do believe we all had our battles inside. I complain about my crappy time to some and they laugh and tell me that I did great compared to them.

We just need to remember why we run!

Good luck to your boys

From Bill on Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 12:25:20 from 168.179.180.160

Dave to walk through aid stations and get 5th place. Your amazing! Keep it up soon your day will come! Everyone had a tough race but you adapted better then most!

From Chandis on Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 19:16:16 from 69.146.171.73

Coach! Not much to say except that I'm proud and honored to call you coach. I always assumed you were super human so it is tough for me to see you pack so many emotions that I have felt during running into one race entry. You inspire me. Thanks for reminding me WHY we run! Nice job coach! Now onto a State Championship! Good luck :D

From Predog on Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 21:53:52 from 24.10.140.186

Hey Coach, I'm just getting to read this and it breaks my heart that you had such a rough race after all of that work. I guess we all have them, but you seem to have more than your fair share for how hard you work. I hope you know that guys like me have a lot to look up to in guys like you, even if you don't always get the result you want. Even if you were to never get it. I don't think that will be the case, though. I thought you had said you were done after last year, but you got up and went at it again with even more fire. I admire you for that, and for that if I know you, you will probably get up and do it again when you feel like you can. The kind of runner you are is not characterized by how many times you fall, only by how many times you get up again.

PS, maybe you should go for a change of scenery and come run some other races up here in the frozen northlands...maybe you're just subconsciously sick of the St. George course. hehe

From Holt on Sat, Oct 09, 2010 at 17:53:02 from 71.213.84.126

Joe, the key work there was FROZEN! I'll pass!

Thanks your kindness and friendship everyone - it means the world!

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